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Topic: converting bot
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Subslayer !
Member Posts: 128
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-06-2002 07:00 AM
   
I say get rid of that bot. It annoys more ppl than it helps evening the teams. If the bot converts a good flagger, he usually gets to spec to get back on his freq, while a converted noob does not know what happened and stays on his new freq. Consequence: one freq mostly full of noobs and the other freq mostly full of good flaggers. This really doesnt encourage even teams  .
Another thing, the least u can do is to not let the bot convert ppl when a freq has 15 flags, cuz when one freq has no flags, 'all of a sudden' that freq looses an amount of players so that the bot start converting while the music is playing.
Maybe scamble the teams after a game is won or something ...just my opinion
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Quickshot*
Member Posts: 152
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 01-06-2002 12:55 PM
i think it would be a good idea...that if there is a way other than lock the freqs...to make it so that once hte player enters the arena and is on say freq 1, they have to play that entire game on freq 1, that goes along with freq 0 also. then once that game is won either force the players to all go to the opposite freq that they were on or just scramble the arena and randomly choose where the players go (being freq 0 or freq 1). This would make things a lot more "even" i believe but of coarse there will always be the games where all the good players get scrambled onto one freq. But that has always happened.Quick* IP: Logged |
Slyth
Member Posts: 485
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 01-06-2002 02:54 PM
The ideal solution is to give everyone a nice healthy dose of dignity so that the losing freq doesn't empty all of a sudden. But I assume that's wishful thinkingIP: Logged |
valentyne
Member Posts: 49
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 01-06-2002 09:13 PM
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Packetloss
Member Posts: 77
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 01-06-2002 10:08 PM
Go out and do it Sub, There isnt any bots that do what you are talking about, so go make one. IP: Logged |
doctord
Moderator Posts: 148
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-07-2002 04:40 AM
and I hate it when they give me pickles on my BigMac !!!IP: Logged |
daz
Member Posts: 80
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-07-2002 06:37 AM
ugh. I whine about that bot all the time. I'd say at least 90% of people converted by the bot end up in spec. Might as well save time and have the bot put people in spec instead.It all comes down to playing fair. Even if the bot converts people, all it does is even the numbers, not the actual calibre of the players. The only way you'll ever see fair teams is if the "vets" choose their teams in a little smarter. ~daz. IP: Logged |
NV__ME
Moderator Posts: 466
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 01-07-2002 12:37 PM
I like Quickshot*'s idea of randomizing the teams after each game.I also like them little gherkins they put on a Big Mac. Yum Yum.
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WhizzBanger
Moderator Posts: 180
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-07-2002 02:08 PM
Well Packetloss, there are  yes sibi, the bot shouldnt convert when theres one team holding all flags, i agree. other then that the bot does more good than bad.
As for randomizing teams, they do that in powerball now after each game. Honoustly, i dont think it will work for swz, cause the ships arent all the same here like in PB. People might chose a freq for the ships it has. - whizz IP: Logged |
FlyingFortress
Member Posts: 631
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-07-2002 02:16 PM
Can't randomize the teams in swz. By doing so, ships are reset. Therefore players with prox or high bty would always lose it after every game.Um, arent ships reset after a flag game anyway? -Mackie [This message has been edited by Mackieman (edited 01-18-2002).] IP: Logged |
Slyth
Member Posts: 485
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 01-07-2002 03:33 PM
Good. But seriously, randomizing teams is bad, since people like to use certain whips on certain freqs, and people alos want to play with their squaddies/friends. One thing we could do is give the players on the losing freq a small amount of points at the end of the game, maybe half or a quarter of the jackpot, sorta like what infantry ctf does. This might discourage some freq emptying; thus fewer conversions. IP: Logged |
alucky shot
Member Posts: 147
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 01-10-2002 03:29 AM
Most of the time when I get converted I will stay On the team I get converted to..very rarely will I go back and it is usually because I am flagging with my buds=))but I see it as a matter of honor..I have no problem helping out the loosing freq, or jumping in from spec when I see very unfair numbers or a team full of noobies.I think if more vets would see challenge of switching sides they would find its actually fun..( well at least I do )
remember guys this is a player run zone..if you want the noobie kills you have make some sacrafice to keep the zone up and running..
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Raynor
Moderator Posts: 986
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-10-2002 07:28 AM
just dont die when it warned for the last time... =/IP: Logged |
Subslayer !
Member Posts: 128
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-10-2002 07:50 AM
dont die?
thats like the most stupid answer i heard
flagging + not dying is a very unlikely combination (especially when one freq has all flags)
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just a decoy
Member Posts: 272
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-10-2002 10:25 PM
Do you all remember how bad it was before the bot with uneven teams?IP: Logged |
Crawdaddy
Member Posts: 111
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 01-14-2002 09:52 AM
I say have a bot that flags each player as either "center" or "flagger" or something like that. It just keeps checking each player's position and if a player is consistently seen outside of the center, then he's marked as a flagger and will be scrambled. If he's marked as someone in the center all the time, he won't be marked. And also, the bot could let you know what you're flagged as at the time, so that you can try changing it if you'd like. I was thinking that people could get around this by jumping to center a certain period of time before their team drops for the win, but if that happened, I would imagine it'd be a lot of people doing it, meaning a sudden decrease in the number of defenders, making it a real tough game to win. Also, maybe the bot should lock everyone's status as a flagger or center-killer when the music starts. Suggestions? Reasons why this won't work? Don't like my mother? Let me know.-Craw IP: Logged |
valentyne
Member Posts: 49
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 01-14-2002 06:39 PM
my god craw, you always have the craziest and most complicated ideas for bots! and i dont think ur the "track down their time spent in one location" would work either.i mean how the hell could you possibly make that work :P ?
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daz
Member Posts: 80
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-15-2002 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by just a decoy:
Do you all remember how bad it was before the bot with uneven teams?
Seems to me the mods did a better job at keeping the teams even back then. How many times do we go in the zone and see one freq with 50x the points of the next. Seems which ever freq the zetas feel like playing on win. ~daz. IP: Logged |
Subslayer !
Member Posts: 128
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-15-2002 08:20 AM
i like craws idea
but seriously, is anyone going to not let the bot convert ppl when 1 freq has all flags, or is this topic gonna be ignored? IP: Logged |
Crawdaddy
Member Posts: 111
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 01-15-2002 09:39 AM
Lol val....just as I finished posting that msg, I thought to myself "Man I come up with weird shit for bots to do!" I'd be happy to implement the stuff (most of my ideas are implementable...some may require a little more thinking than others).
As far as me not keeping track of time or whatever, I'm not sure what you mean. -Craw IP: Logged |
GreenOlive
Member Posts: 78
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-15-2002 06:27 PM
I don't like your mother, craw.IP: Logged |
WhizzBanger
Moderator Posts: 180
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 01-16-2002 09:24 AM
craw, even if your ideas would be possible to actually realise, its a bad idea!if i want to flag with rebels i want to go flag with rebels! the last thing i need is a bot that tells me where to go. - whizz PS i only quickly read your post. i might misread it IP: Logged |
Crawdaddy
Member Posts: 111
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 01-16-2002 09:24 AM
Well GO, I talked to my mother about it and she claims it's just because she owns you everytime you two are on at the same time and says that you're just bitter about it.-Craw IP: Logged |
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