posted 09-23-2001 09:03 PM            

First of all, I'd just like to give credit to everyone who helped.

Namely Cuevro Muerte, for his amazing tileset.
Also, GL, Force, Pointman and HBK for their continuous constructive input on map progress.
And lastly, my right hand man during the building on the map, JAD, who tiled behind me for hours... and hours... and hours lol.

Thanks alot fellas.

Anyway, now to the subject at hand.
Let me start by saying that this isn't my map. This is your map now. So if there's something you'd like done to it, that can be arranged. The map as it is right now is far from finished, there are still plenty of revisions to come. Right now, my main concern is that the map is *fun* and that the bases are *balanced*.

So what I'm asking you all to do is, play on the map, get familiar with it, learn it (quite a task I'm sure, hehe), and come here and tell me what could be changed or done different to improve it. I'm not asking for an essay or anything, just like, for example, if you think the base at T2 isnt good, just come here and tell me "the base at T2 is too strong" or whatever. I'll do my best to look into it, along with the rest of the swz map makers guild.

posted 09-24-2001 12:12 AM            

But this will be interesting... and will be a big shift from swz flagging as it has been... now bricks will be more precious as bombline defense tools instead of churning them out at the FR door.

And who knows, i might actualy get back in a bomber? yeegads

Anyways GG swzmmg pr wateva acronym you choose to go by

posted 09-24-2001 01:37 AM         

Just some input.

-Rev

posted 09-24-2001 02:22 AM            

The other thing is that sometimes it is hard to tell which walls you can fly through. This might cause newbies (which we all are right now) to be confused. It could be that some new players will write off the zone without giving it a chance because it confuses them.

Also there is a lot to be said for the elegance of the old map. Each turn and twist had a specific strategy or defensive/offensive role in mind. There seems to be a bit of excess in this map... or spots in the bases which will never be used for D or O...

Again, I'm still very new to the map so...

posted 09-24-2001 03:18 AM         

1) Droid is gone: no more waiting for 4 doors to open for hours!

2) BF is gone: used way too much and too tight. With some of the new bases I've seen you can really dodge some nme fire and sneak your way passed. On the old map that was never possible because there was one tight path to base fr.

3) I've been testing this map with a few before it was up and believe me: I had trouble finding entrances! In my opinion this isn't bad because you will know the entrances soon anyways and if you don't someone else will :P
And about those newbs leaving when they are confused: maybe it's true...but what do you do as newb? You fight some in center and if you're interested you ask people how to attach because you keep reading: ATTACH TO ATTACK NME BASE! Then if you're in nme base you just follow the rest of the ships, no need for confusion there!

4) About bombline heaven: can be. But a bombline still is far better then 5 nme wallbombers in my opinion! A bombline can be killed using just one brick and about 4 bomber lobbing bombs in; nme wallbombers have to be killed by 2 or 3 people accually flying outside base as well.

5) Nice new goals, will make nice bases if there are little people flagging as well.

6) Tileset = I like pieces where you fly under.

posted 09-24-2001 12:21 PM            

this is looking good to me. granted the entrances as of now are very in depthed and seem to take a lil while to get into (the new cc) just seems too complex at the start but once in side you can run right through it.

it will all work over time. the only thing i do not like is that the bases in the lower right are too liney. they have soo many walls that they look nuts on the radar but once inside them the ciomplexity isn't that great.

other than that it seems kewl.

O_P

posted 09-24-2001 12:33 PM            

We just need to get used to this style of game again. I enjoy the amount of teamwork it takes to get past a well formed bombline and its very rewarding when you pull it off.

You either need to brick and counter bomb, have all but 1 teammate rush while the ppl in in the front sucicide so others can make it up the tube. Or if caps are in play he has to have a full charge and take the damage for the team.

I really enjoy the wide tunnels, dead ends and yes even the hidden fly under walls (since I know all the "secret" entrances hehe). It's not so cramped in the bases now you got room to dodge and fight. An added benifit is people who used to lag out with 30 ppl cramped and fighting on a screen should lag out less now.

One thing I noticed last night was both teams traded bases over and over. This is good it means we reached a balance where it takes a higher level of teamwork and skill to win a game.

I also want to point out for the record this map has less yes LESS bases than the previous map. It just looks like more because they are bigger, more open, and we have all that lovely filler material that slows you down on the way to bases.

We had to slow flaggers down a bit on the way to a base. G2 map had doors enclosing the center. Previous map hap planets. This map has "b4 you get to the base" areas to slow you down.

This was important to do as the bases are not that tight and without this extra material to fly through you can get to most flagrooms in 30-40 seconds .

Last thing I want to reiterate is just like ff said this is YOUR map now. Everyone now has access to the tile set and if you see something you want to change for the better. If got a new killer base you would like to see get some playtime please dont hesitate to submit it!

Of corse we can't and won't use everything that's submitted but our minds are open and I would like to see something new or different every reset so things do get so stale.

posted 09-24-2001 10:52 PM         

How come I'm not a member of the guild yet? I'm the map master! Bah... no fun zetas wont let me in their treehouse. =(

posted 09-25-2001 12:26 AM            

What I like the most about the base design is that the bases are no longer just a single path from entrance to fr, but more of a complex structure that has many "hiding spots" where attackers can retreat to and regroup when being flanked.

posted 09-25-2001 06:22 AM            

Before commenting on the map, i would like to say that you have to play the map for like, a week or maybe two to really know the map.

I do agree on some parts though:
This tileset is REALLY grey. I like it, but please add like.. a little more color in it, but dont get back the old blue one 8)
2nd, the safezone tiles suck :P I think they should stand out a bit more, maybe THEY should have some color.

And remove the staff lounge replace it with the killer base jad :P staff lounge is only used by people who think it is cool to hide their flags there (yay)

ill comment more on bases later, havent played them that much.

Cya
~ whizzy