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911POZ
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posted 05-30-2001 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 911POZ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
newbies with a big score

you know when one team has a decent cap and the other has a total newbie chosen by the newbie with a big score.

something must be done

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Nomad381
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posted 05-31-2001 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nomad381   Click Here to Email Nomad381     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Are you serious? Your prob is newbies with a big score? wth, the real probs with flagging are lag and too huge teams resulting in mindless barrage until the freq with the most firepower holds out.

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NV__ME
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posted 05-31-2001 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NV__ME     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I find its when I need to go for a piss.

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911POZ
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posted 05-31-2001 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 911POZ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
lag isnt much of a problem for flagging since the last changes in the settings except for one thing and please, god, let tailchaser hear this.


Most of the time i have a 80 or 90 ms average. And just like everybody the connection isnt _perfectly stable_ so sometimes i get little spikes. Spikes that bring me to 280 ms ping. Server specs me. Some ppl play with a 300 ping with no problem, how come when i get a 280 ms "spike" (if we can call it a spike) i get specced ?

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BloodDrinker
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posted 05-31-2001 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BloodDrinker     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote

If we'd eliminate caps and go to privs, we wouldn't have this problem. =) Caps ruin a good flagging game. So do thors.

Newbies, however, make a flag game thrive, cause they won't be newbies forever. We need people in this zone, and so what if they suck when they just downloaded the game. So did you. =)

As far as cap skill goes, we all know where the F3 button is on our keyboard. That about sums it up. Rocket, rep, rep, rep, rep... bleh. Time to get rid of caps in favor of training the zone to have some skill.


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NV__ME
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posted 05-31-2001 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NV__ME     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Lol I bet this turns into a privs vs pubs debate....................................

Personally I cant stand caps, I belive they wreck the flag game but getting rid of caps is a touchy subject, it is seen as part of the "identity" of the zone and its history.

Kinda off the subject and just to ensure this post does turn into a privs vs pubs devate ; I had an interesting conversation with mom the other day, I was kinda asking for privs and she pointed out an argument that to be honest hasn't really been used to much, usually its, "aww the noobs will leave", "the population will drop" etc etc.

She said the reason we don't have privs is due to the fact the current population isn't of adequate size to support privs except with the exception of peak times.

Question : Is it possible to have a bot which switches the zone between privs & pubs when the population crosses a threshold?

Of course this switch would need to take place after the last flag game and after the population had remained over that threshold for a certain period of time, to avoid the zone flicking annoyingly between the two.

She also mentioned that the people on this forum make up only a very small proportion of the current zone regulars and that in fact some of the people who post/read this forum don't actually play much, maybe a fair point.

To encourage some of the other players to join in perhaps this board should be advertised more, maybe in the zone?

NV

[This message has been edited by NV__ME (edited 05-31-2001).]

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DCR
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posted 05-31-2001 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCR     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Looks like BloodDrinker isn't a complete idiot.

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DCR
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posted 05-31-2001 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCR     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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She also mentioned that the people on this forum make up only a very small proportion of the current zone regulars and that in fact some of the people who post/read this forum don't actually play much, maybe a fair point.

She was correct there. I rarely play SWZ anymore, but I post here regularly. And the reason for more of SWZ's population not posting here is this: they're all morons. Seriously. Most of them haven't figured out that thorring and bursting aren't the only ways to attack yet..so of course they aren't going to be using the zone's forum.

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NV__ME
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posted 05-31-2001 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NV__ME     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Agreed, it is most likely some of these people struggle to find there way back from the bathroom, nevermind to this forum.


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jameex
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posted 05-31-2001 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jameex   Click Here to Email jameex     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
are u now implying that this forum is too elite for them or that they are complete idiots? or both? =)

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FlyingFortress
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posted 05-31-2001 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlyingFortress   Click Here to Email FlyingFortress     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
bah u n00biez don't appreciate the greatness that are caps

they've been part of swz since forever, i couldnt picture the zone without them (even with privs.....)

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Kodos
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posted 06-01-2001 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kodos     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Why don't we have the bot changed so that the cap will not be picked by the person with the highest score but rather by a vote by the whole frequency? Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do.

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Raynor
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posted 06-01-2001 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raynor   Click Here to Email Raynor     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
caps suck
thors suck
pubs suck

UGH!

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NV__ME
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posted 06-01-2001 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NV__ME     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FlyingFortress:
bah u n00biez don't appreciate the greatness that are caps

they've been part of swz since forever, i couldnt picture the zone without them (even with privs.....)


Sorry old timer, but the youth has spoken.

Caps promote cap whoring, cap whoring promotes lameness, lameness...............


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911POZ
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posted 06-01-2001 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 911POZ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
kodos : yeah that vote would be a nice thing to try out !

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FlyingFortress
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posted 06-01-2001 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlyingFortress   Click Here to Email FlyingFortress     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i dont see cap whoring as much of a problem...

2 and a half years ago players could cap 3 games in a row, uncap for the next one, then cap another 3 straight games (and repeat the cycle all day)

THAT was capwhoring, lol

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FlyingFortress
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posted 06-01-2001 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlyingFortress   Click Here to Email FlyingFortress     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
anyway, unless we go 100% privs, caps arent going to be taken out. at least thats what the sysops said last time. but i support them fully with that decision. caps = fun.

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911POZ
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posted 06-02-2001 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 911POZ     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i like caps pretty much also

i used to think privs only would rule... and it would be the case if the zone population would be always 60+, and if ppl would play just with a little bit of strategy. Right now on priv nights ppl play dumb, just like if it was pubs

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DCR
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posted 06-02-2001 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DCR     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Of course they play dumb..they are fucking dumb.

As for caps, they're one of the gayest aspects of this zone. They promote stupidity, lameness, and the spray-and-pray mentality of countless retards (and terrier pilots) who rely on 12k energy because they cannot be of use to their team with anything less.

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slim-
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posted 06-03-2001 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for slim-   Click Here to Email slim-     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
stupid flagging

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Circle
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posted 06-03-2001 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Circle     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Cap ships = good. Especially with these kind of bases where only a rocketing cap rush could break the front lines and choke points.

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FlyingFortress
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posted 06-03-2001 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlyingFortress   Click Here to Email FlyingFortress     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
exactly circ

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