posted 05-18-2001 04:30 PM            

I've always been pretty neutral in the privs vs pubs debate, usually leaning towards pubs just a little cuz I love owning in a cap ship...

As of late though, I've been changing my mind. As much as I love pubs, I think it's time for another privs era.

There are a few main reasons for this:

-SWZFL is gonna launch soon (or so I've been told). Expect it to be as hot as SWZL was. During the season players will have league fever; they're gonna want to run pracs, play against other squads, play and practice together, etc.

-There are already plans for a new map. Since we're gonna need a new map for SWZFL anyway, we might as well design a single one intended for both SWZ and the flagging league; there would be unity between the two, thus allowing players to develop their skills flagging in SWZ then apply them in SWZFL.

-Thirdly, I hate to say it, but there's also a HUGE lack of skill in our zone. Dont get me wrong, our players have very well mastered our settings. Its just that the vast majority our our playerbase make awful flaggers. . With a 2 freq system you sacrifice alot of flagging strategy; it becomes much less of a thinking man's game. This is blatantly shown on thursday nights when games are sometimes downright ugly. Since our players (especially the new ones) have such little contact with priv freqs, they never get to learn alot of the flagging skills that are general knowledge in other flagging zones. Having priv freqs all the time will force players to have to pick up on the skills they've been lacking in order to be able to compete. This leads me to my last point...

-Im gonna be blunt. 3 squads have been dominating swz for a long time. These squads have rosters with lots of big names and are recognized because of good reputations that are deep-rooted. This has kind of left all other competing squads out in the rain and unable to really survive or get any recognition. Well, if we go privs it'll give those squads chances to step it up and prove themselves, and maybe establish themselves as worthy competitors. It'll also give chances to individual players to make names for themselves. This is good for everyone, since the more competition there is, the harder everyone plays and the funner games become .

So what I'm proposing is:

posted 05-18-2001 05:31 PM            

I'm all for privs! Too bad many squads and vets have already left SWZ.

posted 05-18-2001 06:02 PM            

Afterall SWZ is a flagging zone OR IS IT ?????????????????

(I shall insert this bit of useless info hmmmmmmm just about here, well its just down there a bit ).
As far as I can remember, Zeta and Kittens (aka JF aka Jedi Force and Orion (they still going?)..gees I'm making fun of squads now...my life is gone :P ) ruined SWZ(priv) coz they owned. Thats the truth and not a brown nosing "lick my arse please and go down on one knee" suck up. It was after the decline in numbers some1, and rightly so, decided to go pub, which worked for a while. Now I cant tell u honestly if I/we are yearning for privs coz of the 'good ole days' but there is something gone from SWZ ( I have decided not to call it "This SWZ" for reasons that only I and some others would empathise with) but thats history. NOW we have way more squads, small as they are, but they are here on a regular basis in SWZ and if the squad I am on (but I dont speak for them) is any example, they are eager to fight Team v Team , freq v freq v freq v freq anyone anywhere anyhow. Lets DO this , it can be done. It is sacrosanct that it will take a month( hehe ) or more even to get this to work but I think it will.

What u want to hear when u first produce *ahem* "your best pal" to a woman...
"WOW!!!!!Look at the size of that"

What u dont want to hear when u produce him on his debut apperance..

"WOW!!!!!Look at the size of that"

posted 05-18-2001 07:22 PM         

I'd like to point out that the only real negative to this is, once agin, zone population... IMO, this is the only, single thing that really matters if priv's came back... all other bads are cancled out by goods and so are not worth bringing up again here... Those who don't like priv's ,and play swz because it's a pub zone, will very likley just leave, while rebuilding a player base who likes prives would take much longer... As to giving the BIG boys a chalange, I think there is a good chance all the "Big" squads will just form up their own l33t freq's, and anyone playing the zone for the first time will be looking forward to at leat a month in the zone before they will their first flag game... Of cource, that will just make the win all the more special, if they stick around that long to get it.

Now to say that all again in short: Half of what makes a zone is settings, the other half the people, will trading some of one for a bit of the other actually improve anything?

As far as settings go I would really love to have swz as priv... But I don't want to say priv's is all peaches and cream... mmmm peaches...

posted 05-19-2001 01:06 AM            

I disagree, however, where you say that it will give smaller squads a chance to step it up. If anything, privs will make the rooting of the big squads even deeper. Just my opinion. That's neither a good thing or bad thing, in my eyes.

posted 05-19-2001 03:14 AM            

I don't know if all of what i said is accurate, I don't play on privs nights long enough to see them ended as my lag gets too bad, but i have tried to tell the picture as i see it.

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[This message has been edited by The Thought Police (edited 05-19-2001).]

posted 05-19-2001 08:58 AM         

Privs all the way, with maybe Thursday night pubs night where the lamers can Thor, burst, repel themselves into a frenzy of lameness.
(Plus it means we keep our zones identity, i.e cap ships)

NV

posted 05-19-2001 10:35 AM            

Think With Pubs you have 2 teams Not that much action goin on...Cap ship usually rockets through and Take all the flags...

With privs People (noobs)we will not have fake records where they got 500 kills with a cap ship and make themselves look good. And the record part goes for all the other people that cap. And there is so much action. NONSTOP its so fun.

"whenever You do somethin Always try to Achieve The highest to ur ability"

g

posted 05-19-2001 12:24 PM            

But I also think that the moon is sexy, so I don't know how valued my opinion is.

-TPS

posted 05-19-2001 03:06 PM            

That was usually something to be concerned about since in the past switching to privs always seemed to decrease it.

I dont think it would be nearly as bad this time around considering the following factors:

posted 05-19-2001 05:09 PM            

Privs wont be back overnight... If the sysops ever choose to make such a drastic change it'll take more than a little while.

posted 05-20-2001 08:14 AM            

* privs are a BAD flagging idea when there are less then 14 ppl online (and not sitting in spec :-p). The 4 or 5 best guys create a priv freq and win 10 games in a row. funfun. american ppl prolly dont give a shit, cuz when its prime time over there, the zones population never sinks under 25. I can t help it why europeans dont like swz as much as i want them to, but fact is, privs around midday (over here) means sucky games and around that time the zones population is gonna decrease cuz there s no fun.

* if u say the pub games require no skill due to laggers, do u think the laggers are gonna leave when introducing privs? it s very hard to win a priv game if u have no laggers in ur freq then :-p.

* the good swzfl squads will stay in swz. but the newbies who dont have a squad and wont get invited (i dont think the 'better' freqs are gonna let 2 spots open for newbies who teamkill more then shoot a bullet at an nme ship, when winning is gonna be 'so' important)
and no, newbies dont start a squad themselves :-p.

posted 05-20-2001 08:58 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Subslayer !:
since we all know the positive effects of privs, i shall only post some negative thinngs about it :-p

* privs are a BAD flagging idea when there are less then 14 ppl online (and not sitting in spec :-p). The 4 or 5 best guys create a priv freq and win 10 games in a row. funfun. american ppl prolly dont give a shit, cuz when its prime time over there, the zones population never sinks under 25. I can t help it why europeans dont like swz as much as i want them to, but fact is, privs around midday (over here) means sucky games and around that time the zones population is gonna decrease cuz there s no fun.

* if u say the pub games require no skill due to laggers, do u think the laggers are gonna leave when introducing privs? it s very hard to win a priv game if u have no laggers in ur freq then :-p.

* the good swzfl squads will stay in swz. but the newbies who dont have a squad and wont get invited (i dont think the 'better' freqs are gonna let 2 spots open for newbies who teamkill more then shoot a bullet at an nme ship, when winning is gonna be 'so' important)
and no, newbies dont start a squad themselves :-p.

thats about all i can figure out right now
i m not against privs, but i still like to play when there s some fun in the zone

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Hopefully privs will force these newbies you speak of to learn strategy and acquire some skill to compete. Once they do that then they will be able to get on the "better freqs." Even now I see freqs like Zeta letting 2-3 so called "newbies" on their freq, and you know what? They win with them. Privs allow "newbies" to be noticed by better squads and can help them earn a spot on one of these squads.

And about your first point, can't you just get everyone in the zone to collaborate and make 2 freqs of 7?

posted 05-20-2001 11:42 AM         

Whats up with you all?

A post with 32 replies and its not turned into a flame..............................

posted 05-20-2001 01:28 PM         

NV: it's the newer, friendlier SWZ forum. =)

As for newbies, I don't have a problem with them as long as they are trying and are willing to learn from the older players. Hell, I'm more inclined to cap a newbie with potential than some "vet" who caps three times a day, when I am high scorer. What's the point of having such disdain towards new players in this zone. We all want more people to play, and the only way they are going to get better is if we all quit harrassing them long enough for them to see how much fun the zone is. =)

The bot moving from pubs to privs depending on population level is a great idea. I forget who said it, or I'd give them credit. Privs would be annoying if there were nine people in the zone and three of the older players decided to beat the hell out of the newer kids on the block. You should have to earn your points in here. =)

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posted 05-20-2001 03:06 PM            

It would involve it having to change settings during a game. And any players not in compliance with the change of settings (ie if you arent on freq 1 or 0) will get auto kicked out of the zone. And that could quite possibly also interupt some good flag games. Picture yourself having flagged for 2 hours, the jp is at some crazy high amount, and you finally get all the flags. When you do, lots of people leave the zone, and the bot switches the game to pubs. That'd be frustrating.

Anyway, moving along, its true that newbies wont all be invited to priv freqs... Thats why we should give them a good alternative. Lets allow 10 player priv freqs (or 12... whatever, thats not important now), and set the max for pub freqs to infinite. Things would be balanced. 15 newbies with crappy skills can give 10 vets on a priv freq a run for their money using their numbers as an advantage.